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Post by BewareTheirThorns on May 1, 2017 12:30:10 GMT -5
The reserve honestly doesn't mean enough to me to warrant this whole thing. If people wanted to kindly talk about it I probably would have been fine giving it up. But the real issue I have is that I am not okay with people being rude to me. I said nothing wrong and yet I have people swearing at me, insulting me, calling me names. I'm always okay with polite and friendly discussions and I am very understanding if people are willing to talk to me about an issue. But I am truly upset about other people on this forum being so rude to me when I had believed this was a decent community. You keep saying I'm OCD (which I am not and frankly that's insulting to people who truly suffer from the illness) and upset about not getting what I want. But this whole thing only started when the seller decided to agree with me, it seems like you're just upset about not getting what you wanted and decided to insult me instead of talking about it. ok just to be clear 1. i have no holds with mrsteph so the fact that i am upset about not getting what i want is ridiculous 2.you opened this can of worms by complaining about 1 buyer who pretty sure saw a "reservations open" post by the seller and went ahead. (you didn't even mention the other buyers who were ahead of the one buyer that you have presumed went too early). 3. i have no complaints about a reasonable discussion, and I am sorry i addressed you as OCD it was wrong of me (ill admit it) but for you to be nitpicky about 11 seconds, is really unresonable in itself, especially when the seller said this was not an issue for them. 4. Mrsteph is a great seller with awesome product every year, at great prices. which is why she is so popular. I have no problems with the way she runs things on her forum and find this method a cool change to the way this is done compared to other sellers. I will be 100% supportive of whatever decision she come up with, and will continue to be a dedicated buyer from her table. 5.I would like to send out a sincere apology to Mrsteph for cluttering her wall with this. in the heat of the moment you are trying to figure out why everyone's holds are being cancelled when they were following the rules. Perhaps I stepped out of place when I stated my initial post, but I wanted both sides to be heard fairly before you made a final decision. 6.breathe in...breathe out... Namaste I understand the situation got a little bigger than it should have been but wildfire was just asking why she didn't get the reserve and someone else did even though she followed the rules previously stated. Yes it's true that Mrsteph opened the reserves 1minute early by posting the "reserves open" update (btw Mrsteph I'm so sorry about this we're just trying to help understand and resolve this lil conflict I apologise ur gr8), but wildfire and others posted after the initial open time that was on the main page. I wouldn't exactly call it opening a can of worms though there's nothing wrong with inquiring as to why you didn't get a reserve when you followed the rules. Also I don't mean to come off as rude/blunt in anyway but shadow you seem very passionate about a topic you aren't directly involved with and I understand you want to get to the bottom of this just as much as the rest of us but please try and leave it up to those who are involved. thanks
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Post by shadowlycan on May 1, 2017 12:37:11 GMT -5
ok just to be clear 1. i have no holds with mrsteph so the fact that i am upset about not getting what i want is ridiculous 2.you opened this can of worms by complaining about 1 buyer who pretty sure saw a "reservations open" post by the seller and went ahead. (you didn't even mention the other buyers who were ahead of the one buyer that you have presumed went too early). 3. i have no complaints about a reasonable discussion, and I am sorry i addressed you as OCD it was wrong of me (ill admit it) but for you to be nitpicky about 11 seconds, is really unresonable in itself, especially when the seller said this was not an issue for them. 4. Mrsteph is a great seller with awesome product every year, at great prices. which is why she is so popular. I have no problems with the way she runs things on her forum and find this method a cool change to the way this is done compared to other sellers. I will be 100% supportive of whatever decision she come up with, and will continue to be a dedicated buyer from her table. 5.I would like to send out a sincere apology to Mrsteph for cluttering her wall with this. in the heat of the moment you are trying to figure out why everyone's holds are being cancelled when they were following the rules. Perhaps I stepped out of place when I stated my initial post, but I wanted both sides to be heard fairly before you made a final decision. 6.breathe in...breathe out... Namaste I understand the situation got a little bigger than it should have been but wildfire was just asking why she didn't get the reserve and someone else did even though she followed the rules previously stated. Yes it's true that Mrsteph opened the reserves 1minute early by posting the "reserves open" update (btw Mrsteph I'm so sorry about this we're just trying to help understand and resolve this lil conflict I apologise ur gr8), but wildfire and others posted after the initial open time that was on the main page. I wouldn't exactly call it opening a can of worms though there's nothing wrong with inquiring as to why you didn't get a reserve when you followed the rules. Also I don't mean to come off as rude/blunt in anyway but shadow you seem very passionate about a topic you aren't directly involved with and I understand you want to get to the bottom of this just as much as the rest of us but please try and leave it up to those who are involved. thanks i've already said my piece, whatever mrsteph decides to do I will 100% support.
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Post by asolidrighthook on May 1, 2017 12:52:50 GMT -5
This is basically what I was thinking, but I think for now, to avoid confusion, I'll just go by forum time and cut it off there, since I said in the original post that the time reservations opened was 00:00. Next year I'll add a note that a minute before and after is acceptable. so you are just going to change everything up just because ONE person is being a little *** because they didn't get what they wanted? it not people's fault that they wated until midnight but the forum said otherwise. You said you opened a minute early that isn't your fault, and majority of people shouldn't have to be punished just because one person couldn't get what they wanted because of 11 seconds. you know, after casually reading through this whole epidemic you're lucky someone hasn't reported you for your nasty behaviour. Name calling? Really? Over an issue that doesn't even pertain to you? I understand you got involved (as i am now, call me a hypocrite if you like) because you saw a situation that you deemed as unfair and wanting to make it right. But getting emotionally heated only escalated the situation. Think next time before you speak up and don't cyberbully people and call them names. It's against forum rules and common human decency. thanks.
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Post by unemotionalfox on May 1, 2017 13:01:25 GMT -5
I understand the situation got a little bigger than it should have been but Wildfire275 was just asking why she didn't get the reserve and someone else did even though she followed the rules previously stated. Yes it's true that Mrsteph opened the reserves 1minute early by posting the "reserves open" update (btw Mrsteph I'm so sorry about this we're just trying to help understand and resolve this lil conflict I apologise ur gr8), but wildfire and others posted after the initial open time that was on the main page. I wouldn't exactly call it opening a can of worms though there's nothing wrong with inquiring as to why you didn't get a reserve when you followed the rules. Also I don't mean to come off as rude/blunt in anyway but shadow you seem very passionate about a topic you aren't directly involved with and I understand you want to get to the bottom of this just as much as the rest of us but please try and leave it up to those who are involved. thanks i've already said my piece, whatever mrsteph decides to do I will 100% support. Wow, this really blew up...But... I think there was some unnecessary and rude things that were said and uncalled for, I agree with @wildfire in that this should have been handled in a friendly manner from the start and with BewareTheirThorns said in that it would be best to leave it to those who are involved (that includes me since I really have no part in this...). I don't think wildfire "opened a can of worms", she was just politely saying that she posted her reserve at the correct time, and the other person posted theirs early, I think that's a valid argument. Speaking of, I believe chitogekirisaki wasn't to be blamed either, I think they were just confused by all of this as well. Because mrsteph posted that reserves were open early, it's understandable so I'm sorry chitogekirisaki, I hope you're not stressed by all of this... And thank you for being so polite about this! Again, I really hope I'm not overstepping or anything but I think this is just very messy and everyone was confused by the arrangement. Maybe something more clear would be better next nomi to avoid this confusion. I'm also sorry mrsteph, I hope you can work something out that is fair and reasonable. Thank you
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Post by Djinnwolf on May 1, 2017 13:17:27 GMT -5
BewareTheirThorns unemotionalfox asolidrighthookguys shadowlycan has already apologized to all necessary parties and has stated they will support mrsteph's decision what ever way the dice falls. So please leave it at that and stop cluttering the thread with this conversation. For you guys who are also not involved in this as well you guys shouldn't put yourself in the conversation at this point, when the seller has stated they will deal with the issue and come to a decision which will be posted soon. We should all respect that everyone had something to say, granted people shouldn't have been rude about anything, but in the heat of the moment, and things got out of hand. What is done is done. Lets just wait for mrsteph to clear things up and finalize a decision. that's all we can really do at this point.
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Post by asolidrighthook on May 1, 2017 13:21:32 GMT -5
BewareTheirThorns unemotionalfox asolidrighthook guys shadowlycan has already apologized to all necessary parties and has stated they will support mrsteph 's decision what ever way the dice falls. So please leave it at that and stop cluttering the thread with this conversation. For you guys who are also not involved in this as well you guys shouldn't put yourself in the conversation at this point, when the seller has stated they will deal with the issue and come to a decision which will be posted soon. We should all respect that everyone had something to say, granted people shouldn't have been rude about anything, but in the heat of the moment, and things got out of hand. What is done is done. Lets just wait for mrsteph to clear things up and finalize a decision. that's all we can really do at this point. while i agree with you my issue isn't with the whole reservation mishap, i really dont care about the verdict. it's really with Shadowlycans behaviour. She did not apologize for calling her names only half-heartedly for the OCD thing. she needs to realize that cussing at people is immature and wrong. but i respect your opinion and mrstephs thread, so ok. ill stop posting now
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Post by Djinnwolf on May 1, 2017 13:25:47 GMT -5
BewareTheirThorns unemotionalfox asolidrighthook guys shadowlycan has already apologized to all necessary parties and has stated they will support mrsteph 's decision what ever way the dice falls. So please leave it at that and stop cluttering the thread with this conversation. For you guys who are also not involved in this as well you guys shouldn't put yourself in the conversation at this point, when the seller has stated they will deal with the issue and come to a decision which will be posted soon. We should all respect that everyone had something to say, granted people shouldn't have been rude about anything, but in the heat of the moment, and things got out of hand. What is done is done. Lets just wait for mrsteph to clear things up and finalize a decision. that's all we can really do at this point. while i agree with you my issue isn't with the whole reservation mishap, i really dont care about the verdict. it's really with Shadowlycans behaviour. She did not apologize for calling her names only half-heartedly for the OCD thing. she needs to realize that cussing at people is immature and wrong. but i respect your opinion and mrstephs thread, so ok. ill stop posting now they actually did apologize... but please just stop this, this is getting ridiculous now even i am more annoyed at these posts than the actual issue which why the post was first created.
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Post by shadowbyte on May 1, 2017 13:38:57 GMT -5
Got here a bit late but from reading all the comments it seems like alot of people are angry about the timing. Mrsteph is well within their right to do the holds how they please, the nominochi rules state that: " The Nominoichi staff do not consider any of these agreements to be binding, and either side may abrogate such an arrangement without penalty." In all fairness Mrsteph doesn't have to do holds at all but they did which is a nice thing they did for us, I think we should all let Mrsteph decide if they want to revert or not but we shouldn't be condemning them if they do or not.
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Post by unemotionalfox on May 1, 2017 13:44:15 GMT -5
The reserve honestly doesn't mean enough to me to warrant this whole thing. If people wanted to kindly talk about it I probably would have been fine giving it up. But the real issue I have is that I am not okay with people being rude to me. I said nothing wrong and yet I have people swearing at me, insulting me, calling me names. I'm always okay with polite and friendly discussions and I am very understanding if people are willing to talk to me about an issue. But I am truly upset about other people on this forum being so rude to me when I had believed this was a decent community. You keep saying I'm OCD (which I am not and frankly that's insulting to people who truly suffer from the illness) and upset about not getting what I want. But this whole thing only started when the seller decided to agree with me, it seems like you're just upset about not getting what you wanted and decided to insult me instead of talking about it. ok just to be clear 1. i have no holds with mrsteph so the fact that i am upset about not getting what i want is ridiculous 2.you opened this can of worms by complaining about 1 buyer who pretty sure saw a "reservations open" post by the seller and went ahead. (you didn't even mention the other buyers who were ahead of the one buyer that you have presumed went too early). 3. i have no complaints about a reasonable discussion, and I am sorry i addressed you as OCD it was wrong of me (ill admit it) but for you to be nitpicky about 11 seconds, is really unresonable in itself, especially when the seller said this was not an issue for them. 4. Mrsteph is a great seller with awesome product every year, at great prices. which is why she is so popular. I have no problems with the way she runs things on her forum and find this method a cool change to the way this is done compared to other sellers. I will be 100% supportive of whatever decision she come up with, and will continue to be a dedicated buyer from her table. 5.I would like to send out a sincere apology to Mrsteph for cluttering her wall with this. in the heat of the moment you are trying to figure out why everyone's holds are being cancelled when they were following the rules. Perhaps I stepped out of place when I stated my initial post, but I wanted both sides to be heard fairly before you made a final decision. 6.breathe in...breathe out... Namaste The only apology they made was for mrsteph and about the OCD issue... They didn't apologize to wildfire for any name calling. I don't think I can believe that they would be 100% supportive of any decision that mrsteph makes considering their previous posts attacking wildfire. So I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you djinnwolf.
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Post by shadowlycan on May 1, 2017 14:39:38 GMT -5
ok just to be clear 1. i have no holds with mrsteph so the fact that i am upset about not getting what i want is ridiculous 2.you opened this can of worms by complaining about 1 buyer who pretty sure saw a "reservations open" post by the seller and went ahead. (you didn't even mention the other buyers who were ahead of the one buyer that you have presumed went too early). 3. i have no complaints about a reasonable discussion, and I am sorry i addressed you as OCD it was wrong of me (ill admit it) but for you to be nitpicky about 11 seconds, is really unresonable in itself, especially when the seller said this was not an issue for them. 4. Mrsteph is a great seller with awesome product every year, at great prices. which is why she is so popular. I have no problems with the way she runs things on her forum and find this method a cool change to the way this is done compared to other sellers. I will be 100% supportive of whatever decision she come up with, and will continue to be a dedicated buyer from her table. 5.I would like to send out a sincere apology to Mrsteph for cluttering her wall with this. in the heat of the moment you are trying to figure out why everyone's holds are being cancelled when they were following the rules. Perhaps I stepped out of place when I stated my initial post, but I wanted both sides to be heard fairly before you made a final decision. 6.breathe in...breathe out... Namaste The only apology they made was for mrsteph and about the OCD issue... They didn't apologize to wildfire for any name calling. I don't think I can believe that they would be 100% supportive of any decision that mrsteph makes considering their previous posts attacking wildfire. So I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you djinnwolf. I was trying to stay out of this...But You have some nerve to assume that i would not be 100% of mrsteph's decision. I am fully supportive of whatever decision she makes. And i have already apologized to wildfire, so please just let this die already, i have calmed down and moved on and currently looking for more things to buy on the forum, and you should too.
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Post by unemotionalfox on May 1, 2017 14:53:29 GMT -5
This is basically what I was thinking, but I think for now, to avoid confusion, I'll just go by forum time and cut it off there, since I said in the original post that the time reservations opened was 00:00. Next year I'll add a note that a minute before and after is acceptable. so you are just going to change everything up just because ONE person is being a little *** because they didn't get what they wanted? it not people's fault that they wated until midnight but the forum said otherwise. You said you opened a minute early that isn't your fault, and majority of people shouldn't have to be punished just because one person couldn't get what they wanted because of 11 seconds. Based on this, yeah I would have "some nerve". You've been acting like this the entire time and you still haven't apologized for the name calling. Look, I don't want to start any fights between us, I don't even care about the item that caused all of this but I certainly don't like your attitude towards the people in this thread. And I won't stand by and let that slide, sorry.
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Post by stephiiem on May 1, 2017 15:01:05 GMT -5
Hello i would like to reserve Mikuru Goth Punk Version 50$ Ultimate Madoka figure Japan 30$ Also god madoka figma 25$ Mami TomoeSQ 20$ Thank you Ahh i knew i was late But yes mikuru please! My little brother will be so happy I would like to put a hold on homura figma
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Post by mrsteph on May 1, 2017 18:46:51 GMT -5
Hey guys; sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this. I've looked through everyone's posts, and given a lot of thought to the situation. First of all, I'd like to make something clear; I didn't make my original decision to invalidate people's reservations due to any outside influence. I honestly made that choice based on my own judgment. There are clearly factors here relating to the 00:00 time frame that I didn't consider, and for that I apologize. Obviously the argument seems to have died down, but if there was anyone to get mad at, it would have been me, not Wildfire275 -- this entire situation is the result of a mistake on my part. Wildfire275 has been nothing but polite throughout the entire situation. I never felt pressured to change anything through their influence. That said, I feel like I've learned a lot from this incident -- next year, I'll set it up in the way listed in this post; ... mrsteph should have it so that she makes a post saying "Reservations Open" in which case any posts before that would be invalid, and anything after would be valid. It is just a suggestion but i think this is the only fair way as people couldn't complain then because the seller themselves have opened the reservation without the whole issue of timestamps or computer times. I honestly think this is the best way to do it. (Thank you shadowlycan for the idea!) That being said, I've decided to return the reservations to the state they were in originally. I almost hate to do this, because I feel like it's going to make an already confusing situation even more confusing, but I feel like it's the most fair choice, due to the arguments brought up throughout the thread. First of all, I did open the thread a minute early -- this was an accident on my part due to pressing enter while I was editing the original post, but it did happen. Sorry, not to add to the disagreement here, but I did post when the title was already changed to "Reservations open." I even checked beforehand, as like everyone else, just wanted to make sure it was ok to post ;O Sure it was a couple second off (I believe it was changed 20-30 seconds before the 12) but I was just going by the title change. This is a reasonable argument. I don't feel like I can punish people who posted early when I opened the thread early, myself. The fact that none of the people who posted early (aside from the initial 5-minutes-early request) were early by more than around 30 seconds I think makes it clear that the culprit here is most likely just a de-synchronization between said user's computer clocks and the forum clock. My original logic for changing the reservations was that it couldn't necessarily be proven that that's the case, but since most people who are posting that were affected by this seem to say they did wait for the clock to turn over, I feel like it's reasonable to believe that's what caused it. My set-up for how reservations would be handled this year was inherently vague, which is unfortunately what lead to this. Thank you to everyone involved for helping point me in a better direction for next time. All that said, what this means is that the following figures will be changing hands again: Levi - BRAVE ACT (Attack on Titan) // Sentinel (neonbrown > Djinnwolf ) Ultimate Madoka figma (Puella Magi Madoka Magica) // Max Factory (Wildfire275 > chitogekirisaki ) Ultimate Madoka - Figure Japan // Good Smile Company (shadowbyte > chitogekirisaki )This will be my final decision on this subject. I apologize for any confusion or disappointment regarding this, but I don't want to be switching reservations back and forth. Thanks for your patience, everybody. Again, feel free to contact me if there's anything you're confused about. Codewords and confirmations will be sent out starting tomorrow. I should have fixed up the original post by now, but if there's any errors, shoot me a message and I'll have it fixed by tomorrow as well.
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Post by mrsteph on May 1, 2017 18:47:54 GMT -5
Ahh i knew i was late But yes mikuru please! My little brother will be so happy I would like to put a hold on homura figma Sounds good! I'll reserve that for you as well.
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Post by pumpkin on May 1, 2017 18:53:52 GMT -5
You handled this so well. good on you for staying calm, even though everyone (including me) was getting riled up. Thanks, Mrsteph.
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