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Post by Morbid Romantic on Jan 17, 2018 1:36:50 GMT -5
The main focus is to encourage positive behaviors online. My main fear is people twisting the ideas to a different form of toxicity. Or worse, hate on certain fandoms due to their high toxicity as if every fandom did not have some level of toxicity inherent in themselves.
This panel is not meant to be shutting down people's ideas, but focus on one's individual contribution to a fandom as to not stir the pot any further. This won't be a cure to the toxic nature of fandom, but it will help stall its growth.
I'm not an expert in sociology by any means, but my sister is a licensed behavioral therapist with a minor in sociology whom would help me with my research. I have a good idea of how I want to organize this and present itself. I'm not really one for power-point presentations, but if you think a visual representation of what I am explaining would help, than I would be glad to give it a college try.
I would prefer to have fellow moderators whom have studied sociology to join me on this panel to give a more in depth understanding of what social toxicity is. I feel that we can learn a lot from this as a group. No one is perfect, but that means there is always room to better ourselves.
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Post by xshedevilx on Jan 17, 2018 10:05:34 GMT -5
azreal I believe will be great for this panel with his degree in Sociology. I do think it will be a great panel, even as a starter, to get this topic out in the open, FINALLY. Hopefully I'll have room to sign on myself.
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Post by ericm on Jan 18, 2018 7:49:03 GMT -5
I’d be down to help out with this panel.
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Post by azreal on Jan 20, 2018 23:20:35 GMT -5
Thanks xshedevilx. This is a topic I have thought a lot about in my life, so getting to be a part of a panel like this is very exciting!
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Post by crownowa on Jan 21, 2018 10:11:03 GMT -5
The toxicity is why I won't join clubs, hardly go to conventions, don't engage in forum activities outside of this forum, and usually chat about anime in my close group of friends who already watch anime.
The anime fandom isn't even the worst, especially since we toned down on "you're not a real fan since yoh haven't watched Cowboy Beebop / Evangelion / insert older classic or cult anime here". It kind of sucks when you don't have an established point of reference that are these classics, though.
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Post by darkinsanity13 on Jan 21, 2018 22:39:50 GMT -5
I'd certainly be interested in attending this panel, as the state of fandoms in recent years has left me a little...wary of participating at times. I'd offer to throw my hat in as a panelist, but I did so a couple years ago when it was Fandom Etiquette and while I don't think I did badly per se, I think I was a little under-qualified and not much has changed since then, so I think I'd prefer to come as part of the audience and throw my two cents in that way (plus I'm on the fence on whether or not I'm gonna do panels this year).
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Post by Keith will fite the sun on Jan 22, 2018 2:53:27 GMT -5
The main focus is to encourage positive behaviors online. My main fear is people twisting the ideas to a different form of toxicity. Or worse, hate on certain fandoms due to their high toxicity as if every fandom did not have some level of toxicity inherent in themselves. This panel is not meant to be shutting down people's ideas, but focus on one's individual contribution to a fandom as to not stir the pot any further. This won't be a cure to the toxic nature of fandom, but it will help stall its growth. I'm not an expert in sociology by any means, but my sister is a licensed behavioral therapist with a minor in sociology whom would help me with my research. I have a good idea of how I want to organize this and present itself. I'm not really one for power-point presentations, but if you think a visual representation of what I am explaining would help, than I would be glad to give it a college try. I would prefer to have fellow moderators whom have studied sociology to join me on this panel to give a more in depth understanding of what social toxicity is. I feel that we can learn a lot from this as a group. No one is perfect, but that means there is always room to better ourselves. omg may I please join this? Because I’ve been through my fair share of panels and oh boy lemme tell ya I got a whole bunch of stories I would love to tell about the toxicity in these fandoms.
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Post by Morbid Romantic on Jan 22, 2018 23:31:33 GMT -5
The main focus is to encourage positive behaviors online. My main fear is people twisting the ideas to a different form of toxicity. Or worse, hate on certain fandoms due to their high toxicity as if every fandom did not have some level of toxicity inherent in themselves. This panel is not meant to be shutting down people's ideas, but focus on one's individual contribution to a fandom as to not stir the pot any further. This won't be a cure to the toxic nature of fandom, but it will help stall its growth. I'm not an expert in sociology by any means, but my sister is a licensed behavioral therapist with a minor in sociology whom would help me with my research. I have a good idea of how I want to organize this and present itself. I'm not really one for power-point presentations, but if you think a visual representation of what I am explaining would help, than I would be glad to give it a college try. I would prefer to have fellow moderators whom have studied sociology to join me on this panel to give a more in depth understanding of what social toxicity is. I feel that we can learn a lot from this as a group. No one is perfect, but that means there is always room to better ourselves. omg may I please join this? Because I’ve been through my fair share of panels and oh boy lemme tell ya I got a whole bunch of stories I would love to tell about the toxicity in these fandoms. I'm not really looking for stories as I am looking for those who understand psychology/sociology to help break down this toxicity problem and offer solutions. You are free and welcome to attend the panel and share your experiences so we can help work through them and garner them as examples.
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Post by undertheinfluence on Jan 23, 2018 0:11:01 GMT -5
I think this panel would be better off as a discussion rather than telling people (who presumably also want it to stop) to stop being toxic. By creating a discussion you might be able to further understand each other and come to some sort of agreement; that in the end will likely help develop the fandoms you speak of. You also mention to avoid stirring the pot; but those that stir the pot, as the countless times in history, are ones that really push a society as a whole into a new state. Thereby helping us develop as a culture and as individuals. I think this panel would be interesting but i'm unsure of its necessity at anime north specifically due to the inherent nature and anonymity of being a part of an online fandom. I believe the subject would be much better as a digestible wide-spread video on the internet or as mentioned before a discussion. All the best!
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Post by crownowa on Jan 23, 2018 8:04:11 GMT -5
I think this panel would be better off as a discussion rather than telling people (who presumably also want it to stop) to stop being toxic. By creating a discussion you might be able to further understand each other and come to some sort of agreement; that in the end will likely help develop the fandoms you speak of. You also mention to avoid stirring the pot; but those that stir the pot, as the countless times in history, are ones that really push a society as a whole into a new state. Thereby helping us develop as a culture and as individuals. I think this panel would be interesting but i'm unsure of its necessity at anime north specifically due to the inherent nature and anonymity of being a part of an online fandom. I believe the subject would be much better as a digestible wide-spread video on the internet or as mentioned before a discussion. All the best! This idea is not off topic. We have many social issue-related panels at AN, whether dealing with how anime portray those issues, or issues within the anime community itself.
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Post by darkinsanity13 on Jan 23, 2018 16:34:02 GMT -5
I think this panel would be better off as a discussion rather than telling people (who presumably also want it to stop) to stop being toxic. By creating a discussion you might be able to further understand each other and come to some sort of agreement; that in the end will likely help develop the fandoms you speak of. You also mention to avoid stirring the pot; but those that stir the pot, as the countless times in history, are ones that really push a society as a whole into a new state. Thereby helping us develop as a culture and as individuals. I think this panel would be interesting but i'm unsure of its necessity at anime north specifically due to the inherent nature and anonymity of being a part of an online fandom. I believe the subject would be much better as a digestible wide-spread video on the internet or as mentioned before a discussion. All the best! I think it is a discussion, or at least there is a discussion aspect, as I don't think the panel is necessarily about telling people not to be toxic, and more of looking at things like: 1) what sort of behaviours are toxic; 2) how and why those sorts of behaviours become so widespread; 3) helping people to identify those behaviours in themselves and others; 4) recommending options for dealing with fandom toxicity in a safe fashion I believe it's a topic that, while most rampant on the internet, needs to be addressed and discussed in places like conventions as well. True, not everyone is going to come sit and watch a panel, but not everyone is going to sit and watch a video or read a post either. There have been plenty of posts and things discussing toxic fandom behaviour, but it's still happening, so the topic needs to keep being addressed through as many mediums as we can manage in hopes that more people will stop doing things like harassing creators, voice actors, and fellow fans over stuff that, in the end, shouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of the world, or keep them from doing such things in the first place through education.
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Post by crownowa on Jan 23, 2018 17:25:26 GMT -5
Do you want to bring up the case of why Lisa Ann Beley (Relena Peacecrafts's English VA) didn't attend conventions for years after Gundam Wing came out? Maybe she still doesnt. The toxicity was there before the stereotypical weaboo and neckbeard existed in memes.
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Post by undertheinfluence on Jan 23, 2018 18:39:45 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying.
As a content creator myself I must disagree that people would rather watch a 5 to 10 minute over having to physically show up for something that isn't inherently the most fun subject to talk about. (People are lazy)
But like I said, I think this panel could be great and depending on the hosts; could be one of the more interesting panels this year.
Online personas and the anonymity that comes with the toxicity is something even the greatest professionals don't fully understand. It's a case by case basis of the person unfortunately; there are patterns though.
If you find someone capable of talking about such a complex subject I'd be glad to join in on the discussion! :^)
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Post by direkitty on Jan 23, 2018 21:31:15 GMT -5
I think toxicity in fandom can be summed up with this video (warning... naughty language). darkinsanity13 mentioned a few things but the below: 3) helping people to identify those behaviours in themselves..(sic) Is the biggest and hardest nut to crack. People can usually spout an example of toxicity but if you were point out an example of them being toxic they would deny it. It takes a lot for someone to be self aware enough to admit a fault and change it. Anyhoo, i wish you lot all the best. I spend all work day struggling to change peoples perceptions and i'm already doing a panel that will amount to 'social skills 101' so i think i'll be tapped out on slamming my head against a brick wall points.
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Post by Morbid Romantic on Jan 25, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -5
The point of this panel isn't to person worth respecting and moan about toxicity, it is about finding solutions and making a change. We can all benefit from an moderated roundtable discussion. Even though I am to host, I am not perfect and I have a lot to learn and those attending will no doubt teach me something I did not realize.
We need to get to the root of the problem rather than picking off leaves. I don't think this panel will be popular, no, but I do feel that it is necessary.
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