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Post by The Chris McKenna on Apr 24, 2018 8:35:39 GMT -5
Dear friends and fans of the Nominoichi, I'd like to take a moment and address a concern shared by both buyers and sellers. I've received some email, a few messages, and even a reported post or two all concerning the selling of " new" items. In the forum rules and guidelines, rule 8 says that:
The Nominoichi considers all items sold to be used and as-is. All sales are final. Therefore, while it's not against the rules for any seller to claim an item is "new", and many sellers have, we do not recognize that claim as we have no way to verify it. At the Nominoichi ALL items are used. This would, of course, extend to all items claimed to be 'mint in box', or 'unopened', or anything like that. All of these phrases are meaningless at the Nominoichi as we have no method to test the accuracy of the status claimed. For that reason we strongly caution all buyers to disregard any claims of "newness" about an item. However, this does not prevent sellers from using these phrases to describe any item. We can only hope that all sellers are accurate in their descriptions. Should you any opinions on this, please will share them with us. ...and, as always, thanks for your interest in the Nominoichi.  |
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Post by shadowlycan on Apr 24, 2018 8:50:40 GMT -5
I think one of the issues was sellers selling merchandise that they have crafted (not including cosplay items) themselves and/or sell as part of their business outside of AN, which for some people believe these items should be sold in Crafters Corner or dealers room. Some sellers have a table to offload bulk stock of items they have similar to what a vendor would do in the dealer's room, or offering a service such as customization or commissions while offering to deliver the item to the event.
Just some clarification or rule might help for future sellers on what is allowed especially items that are multiple of the one or sellers that state anything about customizations or placing orders.
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Post by cresstrevelyan on Apr 24, 2018 9:38:41 GMT -5
I think one of the problems isn’t that people are upset some items are being sold stated as being ‘new’ cause I personally don’t mind that at all. it’s that say a seller is selling multiples of each of lot of their table items; ie more as a dealer than a Nominoichi seller. But you who run it have the last word and the best knowledge of the rules :3
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Post by mikan on Apr 24, 2018 14:56:34 GMT -5
Thank you for this reminder. Like others, some of the items I claim are new are because they have been unopened and still in packaging. I removed the phrase "brand new" from my posts now. My items are those, like my opened items have been sitting around in my room and I figured should go to someone who would appreciate them more and get better use out of them. They are not items I purchased just to sell at Nominioichi to make any money. (That's why prices are less than what I paid for for most items). If anyone is doing that, they should be a dealer. There is one person that I feel should go to a dealer's table though...since they will be selling many of the same item. To me, Nominoichi is like a garage sale or a bazaar.
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Post by birb on Apr 24, 2018 19:56:27 GMT -5
Um, I've seen the repeated items on almost every single thread?? I don't think it's an issue since it makes it easier to get a hold on the item. Even then, some people get stuff from Japan while others just sell their friend's stuff. It's kinda weird that this is an issue at all??
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Post by libbyn on Apr 24, 2018 20:13:30 GMT -5
Most of what I end up selling at the Nomi is stuff I bought/ordered that I don't really want once it reaches me for various personal or aesthetic reasons. There is also the matter of blind boxed sets, when most sellers here don't really want all the characters from the set, and sometimes get multiple items of the same kind. In these cases, items are usually unopened and technically new, but that does not mean that the sellers are purchasing items for the sole sake of profiting off them. This has not been an issue before, so I'm somewhat confused about this matter as well. I have now changed all my listings from brand new to another code just to avoid misunderstandings, but I'm wondering what other sellers think about it. In the past, I've been able to buy new stuff for my collection from here, which is hard to find or is sold out online, and I'm thankful to other sellers for that. And also sellers who take items off my hands that I regret buying or that I find don't really fit in with my current collection after I get them in the mail. Plus I honestly think that the best way to address any concerns is to report them to the moderators and leaving it at that, instead of doling out what seems like vigilante justice in the threads. It seems unnecessarily disruptive to otherwise peaceful/friendly discussions and conversations which are the norm at Nomi.
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Post by darkinsanity13 on Apr 24, 2018 20:14:56 GMT -5
I think the issue has been less with the quantity or condition of items, and more about the nature of the items themselves. There have been a couple people posting custom-made items that would be more at home in the dealers room or crafter's corner rather than the Nomi, which is mostly for second-hand merch. Personally I don't think "brand new" or "bulk" items are necessarily a problem, because honestly I've been on Japanese sites like Otamart and seen people sell as much as 10 (or more) of the same item because they bought that many sets but only wanted a particular item in that set for things like itabags. I've bought a couple extra sets myself for the purpose of selling at the Nominoichi, though I was ordering one set for myself anyway and figured I'd just make them available for anyone who doesn't have the means or access to the items otherwise, and I'm selling them pretty much at the same price I bought them for including shipping.
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Post by birb on Apr 24, 2018 20:23:44 GMT -5
I think the issue has been less with the quantity or condition of items, and more about the nature of the items themselves. There have been a couple people posting custom-made items that would be more at home in the dealers room or crafter's corner rather than the Nomi, which is mostly for second-hand merch. Personally I don't think "brand new" or "bulk" items are necessarily a problem, because honestly I've been on Japanese sites like Otamart and seen people sell as much as 10 (or more) of the same item because they bought that many sets but only wanted a particular item in that set for things like itabags. I've bought a couple extra sets myself for the purpose of selling at the Nominoichi, though I was ordering one set for myself anyway and figured I'd just make them available for anyone who doesn't have the means or access to the items otherwise, and I'm selling them pretty much at the same price I bought them for including shipping. Even the custom stuff could be made by the seller for personal reasons and then they decided to sell it cause they don't want it anymore. This is even common in flea markets where people sell stuff they made cause they aren't some huge corporate business, they do it as a hobby. Like none of the arguments are valid or good enough to have the criticism that it does. Lol people really need to learn to chill (edit: also few complaints I'm seeing are from people who want those seller's stuff in the first place... so uh, pick a side?) |
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Post by darkinsanity13 on Apr 24, 2018 20:34:35 GMT -5
I think the issue has been less with the quantity or condition of items, and more about the nature of the items themselves. There have been a couple people posting custom-made items that would be more at home in the dealers room or crafter's corner rather than the Nomi, which is mostly for second-hand merch. Personally I don't think "brand new" or "bulk" items are necessarily a problem, because honestly I've been on Japanese sites like Otamart and seen people sell as much as 10 (or more) of the same item because they bought that many sets but only wanted a particular item in that set for things like itabags. I've bought a couple extra sets myself for the purpose of selling at the Nominoichi, though I was ordering one set for myself anyway and figured I'd just make them available for anyone who doesn't have the means or access to the items otherwise, and I'm selling them pretty much at the same price I bought them for including shipping. Even the custom stuff could be made by the seller for personal reasons and then they decided to sell it cause they don't want it anymore. This is even common in flea markets where people sell stuff they made cause they aren't some huge corporate business, they do it as a hobby. Like none of the arguments are valid or good enough to have criticism the criticism that it does. Lol people really need to learn to chill. No, in at least one case there was someone - whose thread is now deleted, I believe - who was taking custom orders for phone cases, which is not at all in line with the Nominoichi. This is stated in the third sentence of the Nominoichi's description on the AN website: " The Nominoichi is a marketplace primarily for the sale of used licensed anime merchandise". Keyword here being licensed. While there are some exceptions (like doujinshi) or things that can be overlooked (a small handful of second-hand fanmade things won't hurt), if half of someone's offered items are unlicensed items they made themselves, then I think they'd be better off having a table in the crafter's corner. |
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Post by birb on Apr 24, 2018 20:37:43 GMT -5
Even the custom stuff could be made by the seller for personal reasons and then they decided to sell it cause they don't want it anymore. This is even common in flea markets where people sell stuff they made cause they aren't some huge corporate business, they do it as a hobby. Like none of the arguments are valid or good enough to have criticism the criticism that it does. Lol people really need to learn to chill. No, in at least one case there was someone - whose thread is now deleted, I believe - who was taking custom orders for phone cases, which is not at all in line with the Nominoichi. This is stated in the third sentence of the Nominoichi's description on the AN website: " The Nominoichi is a marketplace primarily for the sale of used licensed anime merchandise". Keyword here being licensed. While there are some exceptions (like doujinshi) or things that can be overlooked (a small handful of second-hand fanmade things won't hurt), if half of someone's offered items are unlicensed items they made themselves, then I think they'd be better off having a table in the crafter's corner. In that case, I guess it's not allowed which makes sense if it needs to be licensed. Really, my main issue is with people complaining about others selling licensed products in bulk |
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Post by shadowlycan on Apr 24, 2018 20:46:54 GMT -5
No, in at least one case there was someone - whose thread is now deleted, I believe - who was taking custom orders for phone cases, which is not at all in line with the Nominoichi. This is stated in the third sentence of the Nominoichi's description on the AN website: " The Nominoichi is a marketplace primarily for the sale of used licensed anime merchandise". Keyword here being licensed. While there are some exceptions (like doujinshi) or things that can be overlooked (a small handful of second-hand fanmade things won't hurt), if half of someone's offered items are unlicensed items they made themselves, then I think they'd be better off having a table in the crafter's corner. In that case, I guess it's not allowed which makes sense if it needs to be licensed. Really, my main issue is with people complaining about others selling licensed products in bulk no one ever complained about "licensed" items in bulk being sold at the nomi. Obviously as other people mentioned things like blind boxes, cosplays, accessories, straps, TCGs will always be multiples of the one item. The main problem is people who are treating the nomi as a place to sell items as if they had a table in the dealer's room/ crafter's corner. It's just not allowed ,especially if half of their table is things that they made themselves and are selling multiples of each varying item as they probably would do in with a table in the dealer's room or crafter's corner. this is just my opinion.... |
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Post by birb on Apr 24, 2018 20:50:50 GMT -5
In that case, I guess it's not allowed which makes sense if it needs to be licensed. Really, my main issue is with people complaining about others selling licensed products in bulk no one ever complained about licensed items in bulk being sold at the nomi. Obviously as other people mentioned things like blind boxes, cosplays, accessories, straps, TCGs will always be multiples of the one item. The main problem is people who are treating the nomi as a place to sell items as if they had a table in the dealer's room/ crafter's corner. It's just not allowed ,especially if half of their table is things that they made themselves and are selling multiples of each varying item as they probably would do in with a table in the dealer's room or crafter's corner. In a dealer's room, you definitely won't be using the deals you see here. You can actually reserve items and haggle for a cheaper price, some sellers probably wouldn't even bring the mass majority of their stuff if someone didn't reserve it here. I mean, if it's the principle of the thing, I recommend that people who have issues with it don't reserve from those sellers. On the other hand, I appreciate the possibility of getting the item on hold especially if it's hard to find usually. |
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Post by Djinnwolf on Apr 24, 2018 21:59:11 GMT -5
no one ever complained about licensed items in bulk being sold at the nomi. Obviously as other people mentioned things like blind boxes, cosplays, accessories, straps, TCGs will always be multiples of the one item. The main problem is people who are treating the nomi as a place to sell items as if they had a table in the dealer's room/ crafter's corner. It's just not allowed ,especially if half of their table is things that they made themselves and are selling multiples of each varying item as they probably would do in with a table in the dealer's room or crafter's corner. In a dealer's room, you definitely won't be using the deals you see here. You can actually reserve items and haggle for a cheaper price, some sellers probably wouldn't even bring the mass majority of their stuff if someone didn't reserve it here. I mean, if it's the principle of the thing, I recommend that people who have issues with it don't reserve from those sellers. On the other hand, I appreciate the possibility of getting the item on hold especially if it's hard to find usually. I think you are missing the basic point of what nominoichi is here. Not everything at nominoichi is a deal, there are people who choose to sell items to the price of what a retailer or online company may be offering outside the con... Hell some even mark up the price because an item(s) is oop or rare or valued in the market. Is there a problem with this... NO!. We cannot tell a seller what to price their items for, but sellers may find it difficult to get rid of many of their items if they are keeping them at retail /higher prices. There are people who will pay that price and others who won't. That is just the way of commerce. Also what a seller decided to bring is up to them. If they decide to not bring a listed item to the market because it was not on hold, nomi doesn't request an inventory of items and force sellers to bring them. The beauty of nominoichi and this forum is that haggling and holding items which both the Nominoichi Moderators have allowed and sellers are willing to do. Not ever seller is required to allow holds and as we see on many of the thread some sellers even refuse to allow people to reserve items for infractions from last year (i.e not picking up a hold in the past) This is not to say haggling and holding is not done in the dealer's room. There are vendors who allow purchases through their store or online and bring them to the con to be picked up by the buyers. This may be due to bulk or weight in shipping or other arrangement. It may not be something common in CC or DR but it happens...I've done it through a few vendors before with no issue. I love the nominoichi as much as many other congoers, but there are clear rules that separate the nominoichi from the DR, CC or even AA. It wouldn't be fair for someone who missed out on selling their anime collection or video games at Nomi because someone who should've requested a dealer's table or a spot on crafter's corner to sell their larger quantitiy items. (Not talking about blind boxes or licensed items from a series). Its just making sure everyone is placed in the right area of the con so all can enjoy, see what's being offered and spend money to their hearts content. |
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Post by archangeli on Apr 25, 2018 2:04:03 GMT -5
In a dealer's room, you definitely won't be using the deals you see here. You can actually reserve items and haggle for a cheaper price, some sellers probably wouldn't even bring the mass majority of their stuff if someone didn't reserve it here. I mean, if it's the principle of the thing, I recommend that people who have issues with it don't reserve from those sellers. On the other hand, I appreciate the possibility of getting the item on hold especially if it's hard to find usually. I think you are missing the basic point of what nominoichi is here. Not everything at nominoichi is a deal, there are people who choose to sell items to the price of what a retailer or online company may be offering outside the con... Hell some even mark up the price because an item(s) is oop or rare or valued in the market. Is there a problem with this... NO!. We cannot tell a seller what to price their items for, but sellers may find it difficult to get rid of many of their items if they are keeping them at retail /higher prices. There are people who will pay that price and others who won't. That is just the way of commerce. Also what a seller decided to bring is up to them. If they decide to not bring a listed item to the market because it was not on hold, nomi doesn't request an inventory of items and force sellers to bring them. The beauty of nominoichi and this forum is that haggling and holding items which both the Nominoichi Moderators have allowed and sellers are willing to do. Not ever seller is required to allow holds and as we see on many of the thread some sellers even refuse to allow people to reserve items for infractions from last year (i.e not picking up a hold in the past) This is not to say haggling and holding is not done in the dealer's room. There are vendors who allow purchases through their store or online and bring them to the con to be picked up by the buyers. This may be due to bulk or weight in shipping or other arrangement. It may not be something common in CC or DR but it happens...I've done it through a few vendors before with no issue. I love the nominoichi as much as many other congoers, but there are clear rules that separate the nominoichi from the DR, CC or even AA. It wouldn't be fair for someone who missed out on selling their anime collection or video games at Nomi because someone who should've requested a dealer's table or a spot on crafter's corner to sell their larger quantitiy items. (Not talking about blind boxes or licensed items from a series). Its just making sure everyone is placed in the right area of the con so all can enjoy, see what's being offered and spend money to their hearts content. There are a few things I like to comment on. Firstly, whether products are marked up or down is dependent on what a person is willing to sell it for. The value and price is on dependent of the eye of the beholder. I believe rule 7 clearly states if a seller would like to entertain every offer, or any at all. Rule 7:
The Nominoichi event allows both buyers and sellers to engage in bargaining and haggling over the price of items. Please be aware that this practice is entirely optional and sellers are not required to negotiate with every buyer, or entertain every offer. Sometimes the prices listed, or quoted, will be the final price.I'm going to use my own listing as a example: "My listed prices are open to fair negotiation. If you feel my prices are unreasonable feel free to leave me a message below and discuss what you feel is a more reasonable price." I put this in because Nominoichi is a garage sale. What I value something for might not be the same price as someone else. I'm willing to discuss and try to work out a deal. I'm not going to say yes to everything, but at the same time I'm willing to listen and talk it over with my potential customer. I really hope that everyone is doing that. But at the same time it's not something we can force on all sellers. Regarding people being upset over past years of people not picking up stuff. Bar them from future holds. Holds is a voluntary agreement between the seller and a buyer. Rule 6:
'Holds' are any type of voluntary agreement between a seller and a buyer to sell items at the Nominoichi at a fixed price and/or time. The Nominoichi staff do not consider any of these agreements to be binding, and either side may abrogate such an arrangement without penalty. We absolutely will not intervene to enforce any hold agreements. With that understood; you are welcome to use this board to make and manage any holds you'd like.
In a perfect world I would like everyone to pick up all my holds. But stuff happens. Every year the Nominoichi buyers line gets longer and longer. There is also the possibility that people didn't see my table number, or locate my table. But the key phrase that it's a " voluntary agreement". Under no circumstance is the customer obligated to pick up holds. While I know it works both ways I try not to cancel any holds, nor would I penalize a person for not picking up something. Back to topic of New, BNIB, Sealed, Unopened and Blind Boxes. As a customer if you have doubts or questions, you should ask the seller. Ask for more photos or more detail about the product. Give the seller time to respond and to properly answer your question. If the seller has not properly answered your question then ask more questions. If you're not satisfied with the answer as a customer you don't have to buy the items. You're not always going to get the answer you're looking for, but it doesn't hurt to ask questions. These comments are my personal interpretation of the Nominoichi policy. At the same time none of my comments are directed at any group or single person at Anime North or the The Teahouse of the Maple Moon boards. If you disagree with any of my above statements, please feel free to have a discussion with me. Thanks, Archangeli |
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Post by neonlancerevo3 on Apr 25, 2018 6:48:17 GMT -5
I just thought that all the items the person is selling looks just like a table I've seen at most cons in the dealers room. It would suck if other smaller dealer room tables sold their stuff at nomi because the tables are cheaper.
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